"LJ909" (lj909)
10/26/2018 at 16:11 • Filed to: None
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"LJ909" (lj909)
10/26/2018 at 16:11 • Filed to: None | 0
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Take this with a medium grain of salt though: I was at the dealer getting my all too often oil changed, when I started roaming around the showroom floor as I was waiting. This is a brand new Hyundai dealership I’m in mind you. So far from the 4 or so visits I’ve been, its fantastic, from its cleanness to the staff to the service prices. I was checking out a silver Sonata Turbo that was on the show room floor which I found to be damn impressive in person. Something that would make the commute a little more exciting and enjoyable.
Sales guy walks up to me and asks if I wanted to take it for a spin. I just said nah, I just bought an ‘18 Sonata SE a few months back. We started joking about the potential to trade up in a few years. I stated of course. Hyundai had made a repeat customer out of me with me either staying with Sonata for my next car, or moving onto Genesis or a Stinger.
We started going over the power and performance of the Sonata Turbo. I made an offhand remark about how while it is pretty quick, it was still down on power compared to the competition and that the new 8 speed auto could only do so much ( surprisingly , he actually knew what he was talking about enough for me to gauge that the guy was into cars).
That’ s when he dropped it on me: apparently, the owner of the dealer kept them in the product knowledge loop for future vehicles, and that a new Sonata is slated for 2020 along with a Sonata N. I was surprised since I hadn’ t heard or seen anything on the net about it with the only thing I found was a an Australian site reporting on it being possible last year. This came from the mouth of Peter Scheryer, who is head of Hyundai/Kia/Genesis design and was the designer of the original Audi TT. He said that the decision about it though was still up in the air as to whether or not it would be a full on N, or just another Turbo. Either way he said, expect an all new engine or for the car to use the engine from the Veloster N.
He had me up until he said the final part: why would a hotter Sonata N use the Veloster N’s engine in a car that is way heavier?
Not to mention even using the Veloster N’s powertrain, this Sonata N would still be down on power compared to the competition’s non performance trims. When a Camry is making 300 horses, yo u need to come out punching. So there you have it. A possible Sonata N is coming with the all new car or possibly just a more powerful Turbo version of it. What do you guys think?
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> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 16:23 |
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Not really related but have you seen that all RWD Stinger GT s get the mechanical LSD for 2019?
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LJ909
> G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
10/26/2018 at 16:29 |
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I didnt see that. Damn. They are really putting all their eggs in the take us seriously performance wise basket.
HammerheadFistpunch
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 16:40 |
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Sonatan. it has a nic ...uh ..it has a ring to it.
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> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 16:51 |
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Let’s see if they will pull a Pontiac and just take the current top trim, tack on some ugly plastic and rename it to N.
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LJ909
> 404 - User No Longer Available
10/26/2018 at 16:53 |
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I was thinking that they would or could do that with the next gen Turbo. Or have some kind of bullshit N Line sporty trim for a next gen Turbo.
random001
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 17:13 |
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Youre assuming they'd use the same engine exactly! Remember the ls1 and ls6...
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> random001
10/26/2018 at 17:18 |
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That’ s what the design head stated though. AN all new engine, or the engine from the Veloster N.
Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 17:35 |
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What’s the N stand for again? Nutella? Nortel? Nintendo? Namco? Nutsack?
HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 17:45 |
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But you can have the same engine with a different tune
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LJ909
> Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
10/26/2018 at 18:12 |
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Namyang or however its spelled. Thats where Hyundai’s performance facility is located.
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LJ909
> HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles
10/26/2018 at 18:13 |
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I hope this is the case.
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Manwich - now Keto-Friendly
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 18:17 |
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Namyang doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.
I propose we make it stand for NomNomNom...
SpeedSix
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 19:36 |
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I believe they’re planning a slew of N-Line (or whatever they’re about to call it) models - basically suspension tuning, body kit, and red trim (maybe?).
Considering midsize sales aren’t going up in the forseeable future, I’d think a new powertrain isn’t in the works (certification expenses, etc.)
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> SpeedSix
10/26/2018 at 20:03 |
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I hope not. I’ m tired of these all show and no go sport lines. It dilutes the cars that are actually performance .
Don’ t buy into midsize sales aren’ t what they should be bull . They are good enough for them to be planning an all new car for the new decade. They still sold just under 132 thousand Sonata’s last year. So there’ s still some market there.
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SpeedSix
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 20:05 |
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They’ll have a new one, and a powertrain that appeals to the masses (hybrid, base four, turbo four ).
We might get an upgraded version of the turbo four. While sales of midsizes (and sedans in general) aren’t going to fall off a cliff, they’re certainly not about to post new highs anytime soon.
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random001
> LJ909
10/26/2018 at 20:38 |
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Well, in the early LSx case I stated, they were the same engine, but the 6 had better internal components, airways, and fueling to make 50 more hp/tq, so same engine, MOAR POWAH! Or the current Fiat 500, with a bunch of 1.4 turbo engines, but the Abarth still has like 50 more hp/tq. So fret not! If they put as much engineering into the N as it seems, that motor probably has a lot of personalities.
Jetstreamer
> LJ909
10/27/2018 at 00:16 |
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Tuning is just getting started for the engine in the i30 N and Veloster N, but they are already up to 300+ quite reliably apparently. I’m fairly sure Hyundai could have squeezed more power out from the factory already, but the i30 N already feels great with 275, and they have the 7 year warranty to think about (at least in Europe) as well.
But yeah, there should be new N models coming out. There will be an N-line which is mostly appearance only. Besides that there will be proper new N models. One is the i30 N Fastback, and they have stated the intention to properly build out their performance side of the lineup. So I wouldn’t rule out a Sonata N version coming at some point.
Arrivederci
> LJ909
10/29/2018 at 15:55 |
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He had me up until he said the final part: why would a hotter Sonata N use the Veloster N’s engine in a car that is way heavier?
Tune, turbo and/or internals could all be a little different. I think the CTR and Accord 2.0T use the same engine, right? Amped up in the CTR, of course.
The GTI and my S3 also share an engine, the EA888. In S3 duty, it has a larger turbo, different cylinder head, exhaust valves, exhaust valve seat rings, exhaust cam, compression ratio, piston cooling jets, high pressure injectors, radiator and intercooler.